I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. Usually when theres a fight while strangulation is occurring the perpetrator uses so much force the hyoid bone is broken; shannans was not. Remember, she was pregnant. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. Exhausting and she was pregnant. So yeah sigh! @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Stranglehold Theory. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. @nickvdl Hi. smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. I do know a lot of women who do this also. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! What about rigormortis? I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. Page 463 Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. People with OCD have rituals. He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. At least I would have. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Ugh. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Police photos Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. There are no words . He was all over the house. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. So the agent says what about strangling? But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. He really thought he could get away with this? I am not sure that he planned the murders. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. Page 582, 6. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Thanks! These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. C . Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Taking it off makes the breasts throb & feel more painful. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. On the police cams you can just see hi. Death by asphyxiation in each case. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Even the few days shannan was gone. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Chris Watts. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. I think he had mental issues too. Neither of them passed any body fluids. 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released Mark, that is really interesting! Good work. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone But legally it was in Chriss name. Therefore your theory is not valid. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Just a suggestion. Exiting rooms. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. And dropped her in alive? She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. You know theres plenty of that right? I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. Its in the autopsy x. I think His story is believable. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. No sign of that either. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. Chris said he forgot the phone. RIP Angels. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Or putting her down. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. Chris Watts isnt my hero. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Jami I have 1 question for you. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. She loved her kids more than he did, obviously!! Which is odd to me again. I was married to someone, super attentive dad, husband. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? Would love your thoughts, please comment. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. She didnt try to bite him? Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. First of all- the digestive tract is long. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. 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